UPDATE: “They took my cats too!” Letter to the Editor
5-4-12 Nanette Entriken ‘s case has been thrown out of court and her cats will be returned to her in two weeks. Tha ASPCA will be computer chipping her cats ant their own expense.
3-6-12 **Letter to the Editor**
I’m not sure where to begin, because everyday has been a nightmare for me. After reeling from what PETA and the ASPCA did to the Caboodle Ranch, I was told that my own family cats would be taken as well because they were on Craig’s property. I practically fainted at the words. Then I was “assured” both by the Sheriff’s dept and ASPCA that ‘we won’t take your cats’ and “you didn’t do anything wrong’. Somewhat comforted by their words, a mere 2 days went by when I was woken by pounding on my door at 8am, still in bed, still in my night gown, when the sheriff’s officers came in with a search warrant and authority to seize my family cats. They said I had to leave my home while they did this. My sister was with me and we stood their in shock in our night gowns demanding “WHY?!” and all we got was “because we have a warrant that says so.
Numb and in shock we put clothes on and left my house. A house that I have barely moved into 2 weeks ago, from North Carolina. We drove like zombies to a parking lot and I fell apart. My cats were just waking up, playing, eating their crunchers, perfectly happy and content when these strangers came in to take them away. When we came back several hours later, I collapsed on the floor. I could not stop crying. I kept seeing all their sweet trusting faces and now there was nothingness, emptiness and loss. There was no one to call, no one to help me.
My friend Jan came to be with me as well for support and to try and sort thing out. We called TV stations, newspapers etc. Some posted our story some not. None made a difference. Yesterday was the hearing for Caboodle Ranch where we were going to demand the return of the cats and property seized. We had to post pone it because the prosecutor had just then supplied the attorney with the affidavit that supports the warrant for Craig’s charges. I was told by the caboodle attorney (who does not represent me) that I had to go to the Sheriff’s dept to demand my cats and laptop back.
My sister and I did so and was met by the lieutenant and the states attorney. The state attorney was extremely angry with me for some reason and told me “You are not getting your cats back for a very long time, they are state evidence!”. I was shocked and said that they were my personal family pets! But she refused to hear me and demanded we leave and never come back. I have records from my own vet in North Carolina with their names on it and my NC address proving they are MINE.
I collapsed again outside in my sisters arms. I haven’t been able to eat or sleep or concentrate. They keep telling me “you’ve done nothing wrong” and I haven’t been charged with anything, yet they are allowed to destroy my only joy in life and take them away and never say anything to me about them. Now I need an attorney. I need someone to fight for me and get my family of cats home to me where they belong. Never in all my life would I have thought anyone in any county could do this to someone just because they feel like it. To see my name on a search warrant was devastating enough, I hadn’t even been in the state for 2 weeks when all this happened so how is this possible? No one will answer me. And to take away the very reason I have any joy at all away from me…
If anyone can help me, I need a lawyer who will bring my cats back to me immediately. One who can either work pro bono or allow me to make payments. I am pleading with everyone. This is so wrong and can happen to anyone. The only reason they took my precious cats is because I worked for Caboodle Ranch, from out of state no less. There is NO other reason….
Nanette Entriken
To L.N.
As you can see from the ASPCA press release about the Caboodle Adoptions, it appears that none of the things you accused the Sheriff of is true.
I sure hope you apologize to Sheriff Ben Stewart. He is a great Sheriff who did his job. And he protected Madison County from any costs incurred by the ASPCA for the care of the animals.
In the custody court hearing, the ASPCA testified that they will recover as much money as possible from Caboodle Ranch and thier assets, and if there is any UNPAID bill left over after they collect what they can from Caboodle Ranch, the ASPCA is waiving their right to seek recovery from the Sheriff and Madison County.
There was NEVER any intention by Sheriff Ben Stewart that he would sell the animals to pay the ASPCA debt because the ASPCA was going to sue Madison County for the remainder of the bill.
Before you accuse the Sheriff of something so heinous, you should check your facts first. Since you did not, you should apologize to Sheriff Stewart for defaming him like that.
How are you anti-Ranch people going to feel about your “noble” animal rights agenda if the sheriff decides the cats have to be sold for research because the ASPCA is going to sue the County for reimbursement of “expenses?’ Madison County is one of the poorest counties in the state. And what does the financial behemoth ASPCA take donations for?
For the sake of 30 cats (that could have been helped with donations and volunteer work) and, I believe, a personal vendetta, almost 700 cats that were happy and loved could end up the victims of vivisection, thanks to the ASPCA, PETA, and the vigilantes.
Watch and see what _really_ happens, kids.
BC, I know. Real world.
LN- I encourage you to go to Nathan Winograds – No-Kill Nation site- he has some interesting posts on the Big 3.
Also are you aware that the ASPCA has NO kittens. They claim they do not have the resources to care for them. ($140 million a year in donations and they can’t buy KMR?) If kits are brought to them in NYC they are killed within a couple of hours. Even with rescues who are standing by to take them.
We in Florida have lost three cat sanctuaries in three years- all under their typical “hoarding” and “cruelty” charges- not meeting standards. Standards set up by who- a non biased committee- nope- whichever org declares it so.
Yet we have taxpayer funded AC committing worse.
You can go to the Animal Legal Defence Dund – the pics of Estille, KY are horrific, yet these AC throughout America get a free pass and a star for their “shelter managing” from our Natl leaders (sic). Estille,KY and thousands of other mini AC are as bad if not worse than the bust in Alachua or was it Marion-last year. Yet the Big 3 are silent.
Why are private no-kill sanctuaries that rely on donations held to a higher standard than Munis on the taxpayer dime? If its about the animals and that should always be paramount,Then there is a disconnect by the so called advocates.
Rather than spending their resources to help these sanctuaries become better stewards and save lices, they have instead killed thousands of innocents based on their “standards”.
Merritt Clifton recently did an editorial in Animal People on the death of the former CEO of HSUS- Hoyt.
Knowing some of the ancient history which was done as an exposé by Merritt back then -read between the lines.
ATM, the HSUS is trying to close down responsible, humane, careful, small hobbyist breeders and sellers of “raised underfoot” purebred pets (of which I am not one), having succeeded in convincing the USDA of the idea that such private individuals, many of whom have been doing what they do successfully and excellently in self-policing organizations for 30 years or more, should _NOT_ be exempted from regulations that apply to “industrially” raised domestic animals and pets.
Should you wish to read the proposed regulations and the comments thereunto, all can be found here:
http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0003-0001
This is real world economics, and these organizations have become major players. If they decide they don’t want individuals to foster homeless pets or care for feral colonies, they will find the incremental ways to stop it, no matter how careful and responsible you are, no matter how many years you have been doing it or how well, with or without probable cause–and all the while they will tell you at each step that “you have nothing to worry about if you are doing it right.”
And kids, I am a moderate liberal-leaning Democrat who believes in the individual mandate. How easy do you think it was to convince me that these organizations are more smoke and mirrors than anything else? I can tell you: NOT easy. But they did it.
BC, so then that means to me that the commissioners actually _did_ get the idea from elsewhere and that probably it can, indeed, be traced back to the Big Three although perhaps the commissioners did not know it at the time.
The ASPCA, the HSUS, and PETA are engaged in all kinds of activities of this nature, not just in FL but nationwide. PETA has always been extremist and the other two organizations are tracking more and more toward that same philosophy.
Both of you, I would caution against allowing onesself to be lulled into a false sense of security in this regard. These organizations are very large and very, very wealthy and in a country in which every value is superceded by the love of money, very dangerous.
They have changed from what they originally were, and, Elise, I challenge you to prove me wrong (and, in fact, I hope you will) by getting the ASPCA to release reliable and independent documentation on the fate of each and every one of the 691 Caboodle cats that are left. For the moment, I am particularly interested in a three-legged otherwise healthy cat that they have reportedly already killed.
I’ll bet you that they won’t do that.
BC and LN.
The EAH ordinance that Madison County enacted in already enacted in many counties in the state of Florida. So its very legal.
Please know that we are taking into consideration that people like BC will be able to pass the inspection if they are doing rescue/fostering from their residence/home. The EAH ordinance will only be the first draft and it will be very tweaked to ensure that people like me and BC can continue our rescue efforts. So not all the provisions of the Ordinance will be part of the bill, but it will be more detailed so NOT to put smaller sanctuaries out of business or just people who rescue from their home. If you are just a foster parent for a charitable organization, then you would be exempt. In addition, it would only apply to private sanctuaries. I have spoken to many private sanctuary owners through out Florida and I have yet to hear one say NO, they do not want regulation. As a matter of fact, one in Tampa told me she would do whatever it took to have a state wide inspection of private sanctuaries. So if you are doing the rescue right, then you should not have a problem. Also if you are rescuing and using your residence as the shelter, you would be exempt from the “no carpet rule”, and other stringent financial requrements that would not be realistic, etc.
Also the second part of the plan is to make it legal for all counties to engage in Trap-Neuter-Release so the feral cats are protected. That would be a huge step. And the charities would provide low cost spay/neuter programs in each county.
Either in permanent buidlings or use a mobile unit.
LN -thank you for the insite. According to the May 23 post here by GoodService- Elise Perkins is promoting EAH for Statewide law. I firmly believe EAH will be a death blow for many good rescues that cannot financially meet the requirements.
BC, no I don’t think “the big 3″ had anything to do with EAH because EAH was prior to the raid. I do NOT know but it seems a likely scenario to me that the commissioners had that idea because the farmers living around the ranch saw loose cats and assumed they were from Caboodle. Just prior to the raid, I read in the Voice how there were about six cats shot, skinned, and left by the side of the road out in Lee (which is roughly near where the ranch is).
Nobody in Madison County would give a friendly reception to PETA: the county is agricultural. The other two may be thought slightly “better” because they are not known for running around naked and throwing blood on people, but I doubt anyone would have asked for their advice.
The judge’s orders are posted on caboodleranch.net, the hijacker site. The (pre-existing) real Caboodle site is caboodleranch.org.
Sorry that was meant to state “the quick kill bill”
And LN – we t to one of the sites you suggested. Not only was I horrified beyond belief at the language used by anti Caboodle posters- I mean really horrified at the level of threats and language they exhibited-
The final orders were posted and the judge gave Caboodle a chance a reorganization of the ranch to accept cats back. Unfortunately there is the additional death blow the anti caboodle people have levied on criminal charges- which according to a news report on Elise Perkins she stated she will not rest until Mr Grant and anyone associated with Caboodle is “destroyed”.
Guess that means the poor kitties too. They will die and we all know it- the ASPCA in NY is known for their killing passions. Why would we think they would be any different here?
EAH seems to have its roots in Madison County. Now threatening to go Statewide.
Does anyone know where EAH in Madison came from? I don’t believe the County initiated this.
Was this orchestrated by the big 3? With Madison being ground zero. Desire, motive, and opportunity with the location of Cabiodle convenient.
Ground zero to stop Winograd with CARA- and now EHA. NoKill cannot work without rescues so destroy rescues. ASPCA makes no bones about their position with their orchestrating the quick bill in NY. PeTA is well nut jobs. And HSUS is the same but remain Publically the mainstream middle of the road.
So who came into Madison and created this?
There already laws on the books to deal with hoarders either thru cruelty or health issues.
BC, I suggest that you might want to contact the Caboodle supporters at any of their FB sites or on their home page: caboodleranch.org. Beware, though: Caboodle.net is an effort to hijack the supporters’ efforts to defend the ranch on the ‘net, and there are other sites out there like that. Ideas are being shared about attempting to organize the smaller humane efforts to combat state and nation-wide the steam-rollers: ASPCA, HSUS, and PETA,
Elise Perkins, I do not believe the ASPCA, as I have become convinced by recent events that their priorities are monetary and political rather than humane, either to animals or to human beings. The letter to which you refer is seriously flawed in terms of ethical bias. I had already seen it, and your statement that it “proves” anything at all reflects, at best, a great deal of naivete about the meaning of the word “prove.”
As I understand, there are 691 cats left being held by the ASPCA. If you would find out the whole truth to which you seem so “willfully blinded,” keep track and report on all 691, IF that huge and progressively more extreme organization will allow you access to that information. And no “cheating:” if this whole thing were based on “the majority,” it would never have come to court in the way it has because “the majority” of cats at Caboodle were doing just fine there. Not to say those 30 or so cats are not important, but so are the some 661 (or more if you count those that have already been returned) that were happy and well.
I am interested to know what happens to each and every individual cat. If you believe the ASPCA is genuine, please observe and report on that here–objectively if you can. Or don’t. But open your eyes and face life the way it really is and not how a gigantic and extremely wealthy and self-serving superPAC (which, from reports, is planning on suing for reparations at the same time as they are using this event to raise more money) tells you that it is. As with every other political issue, it is more important to observe what they do than what they say.
If I prove to be wrong about them, I will be very happy. In fact, I hope I prove to be wrong. But I will not accept that I am because they or because you say so.
Because of the way the ASPCA and their supporters have behaved, whatever they say is completely worthless to me. In that, they and you all have very effectively _changed_ my mind, and I have been told by one of your allies that they care not about changing it back to more resemble my earlier views about their efforts and intentions.
I certainly have no intention of “harassing” Judge Parker whose constituent I am and with whose behavior I am impressed. From what I have observed of you and your crew, that misjudgement of me seems to merely be transference on your part.
Not “aka Lydia”
$15k can’t even cover the cost of a shell for a new infirmary. More like $60k for basic 12x 30′ building not including equipment.
Maybe ASPCA could have spent some of that $1.2m to help out.
If the EAH is made law, tens of thousands of rescues will be forced out of business and any hope of No-Kill Florida will be set back for decades.
Yes exactly how PeTA and ASPCA and HSUS envisions it.
Good going!
Fr the May 23 posting from Silence Dogwood- thank You Elise for getting Statewide legislation. My county has Gotten wind and is going to be proactive with updating their ordinance as a model.
It will effectively put all my foster homes out of fostering and will shut down my small sanctuary that I have for any cats adopted that may be returned – even at 16 yr old- or the Fivs that are in GP – or my new ICU unit I am constructing just for those I pull off death row who always have a primordial soup of hard to cure URI and are trying to get healthy enough for adoption. All those special permits, inspection fees, sprinkler system costs, staffing and top of the line, no expence barred vet costs needed to justify not killing a cat. Not to memtion the loss of any expectation of privacy from warrant less search will be null And void.
Yes thank you, I will graciously retire after I have animal control take all the fur kids and kill them because I am not rich enough of an organization to meet your standards. So I must be a hoarder. Oh BTW I have dead cats on my property. They are burried and died of illness but I don’t have a vet record of every death or a death certificate. Sorry – I shouldn’t have tried to save them but left them in the street, abandoned property or wherever to die- with the new rules I will go to prison.
Oh and I don’t microchip- I have a personal issue on the risks they pose- so I will have to be shut down.
Thank you.
L.N.
I do not know where you get your info that all the cats will be put down as undesirable. That is NOT TRUE. See the letter from the ASPCA to the Judge.
http://caboodleranch.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ASPCA-letter-to-judge2.pdf
Also, do you really think the ASPCA would spend all that money and effort to rehab the cats and dogs just to kill them. Logic says NO!!!! and the Letter proves it.
I know this is your go to line to keep your supporters “all the CR cats will be killed now” . But guess what you are wrong, and when they all will be adopted out, once again you and your minions of liars will be proven wrong again which seems to happen all the time.
So good luck with your harrassment of the Honorable Judge Parker, it won’t work. CR had their chance in court with their fantastic attorneys and the cats won.
But of course you will continue to say the cats will be killed even when they have been adopted out, and it will be said they were all faked adoptions and that they were actually killed.
The Judge saw the truth as clearly outlined in his Order, its just sad that you cannot.
I believe that is known as “willfull blindness”.
Who is Lydia, an imaginary friend? Don’t know a Lydia or follow the allusion. (Silence DoGood was the pseudonym of Benjamin Franklin in his early published writings. Thought everyone knew that because of history class or else _National Treasure_.)
Listen, follow your promise up if you really believe it.
Here is what you will find: All the ferals will be put down immediately as “unadoptable.” (I have a formerly feral who gives the lie to that “unadoptable” thing, but it was a lot of work to get her there.) But there won’t being any songs about angels for them.
All the FeLV and FIV positive cats will be put down immediately as “unadoptable” although there is now an extremely effective (although expensive) treatment to put their condition into more or less permanent remission. (I have a kitty who is receiving the treatment, so I know exactly how expensive.) It is hard enough to find a home for an adult cat, let alone one with “special needs.” There won’t be any songs for them either.
The ones with behavior problems will be (maybe) adopted, but not “forever.” They will be returned to “shelters” (if there is room) or pounds as “unadoptable” to be put down. There won’t be any songs for them. Or they will just be dumped on the side of the road. (I recently lost a kitty who, in his old age, pottied indescriminately all over the house. He lived out his natural life happily while mama took up all the rugs and cleaned up his messes and followed him to the potty box and praised him when he did it right.)
Most of the healthy domestics will be caged for “awhile” after which they will be passed along to pounds to be put down (although healthy and vigorous) to “make room” for more “attractive” prospects, also without homes because people do not want to be bothered and don’t think their commitment to a pet is “for life.” No songs for them.
A very few may find “forever homes,” but the odds are not in their favor.
I mean, in real life, are you and your friends who believed so passionately that they were being so mistreated at Caboodle planning to take any in to love and protect for the rest of their lives? Are you or any of your friends going to pay for their medical care or adjust to their special needs? The reason they were at Caboodle is that no one loved them enough to be bothered with their “imperfections.” And now no one does again.
I would so love to think that you are right, but only in kids’ movies do the princesses get their princes and live happily ever after. In the real world, 70% of those “happy ever after” situations end in divorce. And I would not give the kitties odds that are that good.
You have a happy 4th as well. It is only a week away, but I don’t expect most of the kitties to live long enough to see it.
That is the real world for a surrendered animal, even a strong and healthy one.
Lydia a/k/a LN.
I guess you heard by now the Judge has ruled and all the cats are being awarded to the Sheriff.
I was going to respond to your comment to Silence Dogood and explain Florida Rules of Civil Procedure to you, and if you fail to follow them, you lose. That is what the Memo of Law said filed by Mr. Reeves. And the provision of “The Court cannot grant relief unless it is asked” is a very basic principal in the legal system. So as soon as I read the Memo of Law I knew that NO cats would be going back to CR because the Judge had no choice but to rule that way or he would be overturned on appeal for failing to follow the Florida Rules of Civil Procedure which is like the legal bible for attorneys.
There is a separate one for Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure.
Any ways, its going to be a very special 4th of July for us “cat killers and haters” because now the cats will find forever homes and get the love, attention, shelter, food, water and medical care they so desperatelty needed.
My God, some of the cats are still on feeding tubes and IV fluids after 4 months. That speaks volumes about how bad the neglect was there.
Also, I bet this week, Grant will be charged with more animal cruelty charges, and Nanette (who I presume to be the unnamed co-defendent who will be tried alongside Grant) will also be arrested for animal cruelty since she was the Ranch manager and helped Grant “take care of the cats”.
What a wonderful 4th of July for the Kitties. Their meows were finally heard and now they are truely rescued.
Mr. Franklin, you apparently are lacking in an understanding of the nature of due process.
Allow me to illuminate you: it is Mr. Reeves’ job to represent only those things that are favorable to the case of those by whom he is being paid. He does not also get to be the judge, and neither do you.
Signed,
Th. Jefferson
Dear Dale,
It appears you’re not comprehending (no surprise) how the judicial process works. It’s been explained numerous times; if you want another opinion go pay a criminal attorney for a consultation instead of looking like a fool.
You said, “The lawyers and Judge agreed that his decision did not have to be all cats come back or none.
…
Please provide proof of that. The judge asked the question if it had to be all or nothing and asked both lawyers to research and find the answers. Tim Reeves found case law that states that it is all or nothing since Grant only asked for ALL cats back. The judge cannot give him something he didn’t ask for. Since he didn’t ask for a portion of the cats, then the judge can only rule in favor for or against what he asked – all cats. And you know how we like to back up our claims with evidence, guess what? We have a copy of the memorandum of law Tim Reeves gave the judge. (See pages 4-5) http://caboodleranch.net/Documents/Custody_Reeves_MemorandumOfLaw.pdf
You said, “I don’t know who will be making the decision of which cats come back and which won’t.”
You’re assuming that Craig is going to get SOME back but if the judge follows case law, Craig won’t be getting any back.See More
http://www.caboodleranch.net/Documents/Custody_Reeves
Elise,
you maybe legally correct, but you could take a few lessons in tact because your lack of it, is blurring any etiquette you may have by your constant barrage of negativity toward pro-caboodle people is helping those of us who were concerned lose interest in the whole deal.
“As does everyone else think that his/her way is best,” that should have read. “Everyone” certainly does not think that Elise’s way is the best.
Good post, Dale.
Some reflections on the Caboodle Ranch civil hearing on May 27. I did fly down from NJ to the hearing–right into tropical storm Beryl’s path. But got through that, and was delighted to meet some of the ranch fans. At the start of the hearing, there were two people on the prosecution side of the room, and about 15 or so on the defense side. After lunch, at least two ASPCA personnel showed up, and I believe, but am not sure, that Dr Levy, who had testified for the prosecution earlier, arrived to sit with Elise and a colleague.
Our attorney, David Collins, had the floor and our witnesses included Doctor Lewis, our vet; Cary Hardee, local attorney; Rob Grant, Craig’s son; Sue, who had brought cats to CR; Christine and Debbie, two cleaners, one of whom was a vet tech, and one had worked with vets; and Stewart, a groundskeeper was is also a college math professor. After each answered questions by our attorney, Prosecutor Reeves crossed.
Dr Lewis testified that he regularly treated Caboodle cats; that Craig often called him after hours; that URIs were common in cat colonies; and how he considered Craig’s care to be not perfect, but reasonable. He said he had been to the ranch about two weeks before the raid to chip and vaccinate cats. Cary Hardee said he visited the ranch last year (I met him when I was there last March), and he was surprised at the number of cats, and that the ranch was clean and did not smell.
Witnesses were asked how many dead cats they discovered at the ranch, and they all said either none or no more than one or two. Witnesses testified that people dumped cats outside the ranch fence, and that Craig did not turn away animals from people who had lost jobs or homes. Contrary to reports, Craig did expect animals to have shots and be neutered, but not all people could afford either procedure. At the earliest possibility, Craig had neutering and vaccinating done.
Reeves tried at the conclusion of witnesses, to enter some old income tax forms to the judge, who refused them.
David Collins’ summation included noting that there were cats in the ASPCA care who had URIs. Rob had taken pictures of them when they were allowed to see their property (the cats) about 3 weeks ago. Was the ASPCA’s care deficient? Or does this confirm that URIs are common in cat colonies. He also pointed out the unfairness of the government taking people’s property.
I did go over to Elise at a break to introduce myself. She had mistaken someone else for me earlier, and I wanted her to know who I was. I was not in her presence more than 30 seconds. It would have only been 20 seconds, as I said Hello, my name is Dale Swisher, but I was taken aback at her response to me and just looked at her for about 10 more seconds before I turned and left. There was absolutely NO harassment. I have been involved in many political campaigns, civic projects and the like, where there were very heated discussions, but I never had the response from opponents like Elise’s. Where is the civility? In all my comments about the ranch, I have only spoken about what I actually saw. I am totally bewildered at the level of venom that has been directed at the pro-Caboodle side. I have had my life threatened by one of the anti-Caboodle group, complete with a hope that I would drive my car into a tree and maybe be decapitated if I came to support the ranch. That’s a new low for me.
I heard the judge ask for input from both prosecution and defense lawyers as to how each side would handle getting custody of the cats. Over the last few months, I have worked on business plans, grant writing, etc. If these items were included in an Order to the judge, so be it. If not, they are still available. I disagreed with the judge’s comment that the ranch condition deteriorated. On the contrary, the number of EAH requirements that hadn’t been met declined, not increased. I think the judge was swayed by the torrential rain conditions on the day of the raid. He also said he didn’t want to be known as the cat killer judge, and he did state that he believed Craig was a good man who had the heart of a servant. I hope he listens to his cat, Ziggy, who must be a Caboodle fan.
And Elise, I don’t hate your guts. I pity them, as they must be absolutely chewed up with the bitter herbs you seem to have ingested. You are not done yet, you say. Where are the pitchforks and the torches? This whole debacle has been an enormous waste of resources. I agree with one of the commenters about their being other needs in the county that should be addressed.
Some of the things you said about the judge’s final comments were accurate. I have no quarrel with that. I do hope he doesn’t take 60 days to decide, and I still am hopeful that the ranch can return to its prior location and mission, saving the unwanted, unloved, undesirable cats from living on city streets, or being killed by the ASPCA or PeTA. I am hopeful that the visitors from Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium will come back and add to the economy of Madison County. I am hopeful that the criminal charges, none of which come up to the level of the language in the statute, are dismissed and Craig and his fans, up to 30,000, can work on any improvements necessary to make the ranch an asset to the area. That’s what I’d like to see, not the scorched earth policy the anti-Caboodles seem to want. The welfare of the cats is foremost to us. I’ve walked the place; I’ve seen the new buildings. I did not rely on internet gossip or inaccurate postings. I want it to be the best it can be, and will continue to work towards that goal.
FYI, Elise, you are old enough to be held responsible for the fact that there is no “polite” way of calling someone else a liar.
I appreciate that you think that your way is best, as does everyone else. However, you are also old enough to begin to realize that the whole world does not revolve around you if you are the same woman I’ve seen in the TV clips.
The longer it takes to learn that lesson, the more painful it will be for you.
To L.N.
If you think I am preoccupied with being right, you are wrong. By saying I am right when you are wrong is just a polite way of me saying “You are a liar”.
I am more concerned about doing right, and doing right in this issue is to ensure that no more cats suffer neglect, starvation, endless pain, and lingerning death while living among DEAD cats. If you thing that is not doing the right thing, then I would HATE to see what your definition of doing the right thing is. Oh yeah, its to let the cats live that way. This is the main difference between the pro-CR and the anti-CR people. We want to end animal cruelty and suffering, and you guys want to support it for whatever reason. Plain and simple.
I am constantly called a liar by the CR side, but NOT once have you been able to prove it, and I have proven that you have lied so many times I have lost count.
I make statements I am right in response to having evidence to prove your side constantly tells lies about the real atrocities that occured at CR and we will never know how many hundreds of cats died as a result of Grant’s neglect.
I have a feeling we will have an estimate when the number of dead cats found on the property is revealed in the criminal trial. The county prosecutore has a “master list” of dead cats. That makes me really sad, and the reason I am doing the right thing by making sure no more cats suffer a horrible life at Caboodle Ranch despite your concept of how to care for a cat.
Geesshhh, I don’t have a dog (or cat) it this fight…………..Just let what’s going to happen – happen. Are you really so paranoid Elise that if anyone has an opinion they are “friends with someone or Nannette in disquise?” I don’t know any of you from any “side”!! I just wish there was as much concern over hungry children. Can you imagine the amount of meals the money being spent on this could provide? A lot less hungry children going to bed at night don’t you think?
To Really???
Who ever told you it was over after the Judge ruled mislead you. There are criminal animal cruelty charges pending against Craig Grant and possibly Nanette. The “anti-Caboodle” side had nothing to do with this. It was the decision by the county to prosecute Grant for animal cruelty, and if there is a true co-defendant, then that is also up to the prosecutor to decide to add to the criminal case.
Also there are other issues that you may not be aware of that Grant and Nanette will have to answer for, and the only people you can blame are Craig and Nanette. It was their actions or in-actions that placed them in the situation they are in now, and they have to face the legal system.
So no, it is NOT over even after the Honorable Judge Parker enters his ruling. And it probably won’t be over for them even after the county criminal trial due to the IRS investigating the finances of how Caboodle Ranch donations were improperly used. Most of which were NOT used to take care of the cats.
All you have to do is look at the IRS returns, bank records, and the debit card account and you will see more money was spent on personal expenses such as paying off mortgages on personal property that was NOT used as part of the Sanctuary, restuarants, motel rooms, clothing stores, Toys-R-Us, trips to Daytona, Las Vegas and Disney, instead of using the money for the purpose they claimed, i.e. “100% of the donations goes to the care of the cats” as stated many times by Nanette and Craig.
No one forced them to say that, and no one forced them to spend the money on themselves, it was their choice, and they will have to answer for that. Its fraud to obtain donations under false pretenses which they did and that is a crime each time you do it. So if you want to blame anyone, just look at your friends. Or if this is Nanette is disguise, look in the Mirror.
@really: it’s what happens when people become more preoccupied with being right than with doing right. Ignore.
Will this ever end? Even when the judge rules and it is “over” these people won’t let it end……….There are also starving children in the world, to include the United States and right here in Madison County…………….
Dale,
With all due respect, we resolved the issue that you were not the one at the hearing and I acknowledged that like you said, and apologized, and that should have ended that controversial issue. Thus to introduce yourself was NOT necessary at all. You introduced yourself as Dale Swisher, I asked you to please leave me alone, and you said “I just wanted you to see who I am” , and I again asked you to please leave me alone, and you then walked away. I did not tell you to get out of my side of the court room, I just asked that you walk away and leave me alone which is my right. Plain and simple.
You are right that you did not come back to reintroduce yourself, but I had to ask you twice to leave me alone and you should have left after the first time some asks you. That is proper social ettiquate and as far as the law is considered defined as harrassment. If you are asked to leave me alone once, and then continue after the request, then its considered harrasment under the law.
Finally, the Judge politely asked everyone from oppossing sides not to approach each other and leave each other alone when you leave the court room.
However, your supporter and witness who committed perjury, Christina Gomez, ignored the Honorable Judge Parker’s request and had to WAVE at me from across the court yard when I turned my head in that direction. There was no need for her to do that. As far as I am concerned, all three incidents, the one with Jan, yours, and Christina waving at me was an attempt to start something nefarious. So with all due respect, if we are in the same court room for the criminal proceedings I am asking that NO ONE from the pro-Caboodle side approach me, and I will give you side the same respect. I hope we can all come to a ladies agreement on that aspect.
And please understand my position, I saw all the negative threats made about me on your FB page, and I printed them out. Jan’s comment about ‘having to be held back in court”, and being ready and “PACKED” for court, concerned me and I did not want to be approached by anyone and no one from your support side needed to approach me for any reason. But I knew you guys would NOT be able to resist trying to confront me in the court room which is why I warned the Baliffs before hand and showed them the comments above. So I did exactly what the John and Alan told me to do. And again, I was right.
Dale,
I cannot believe that you are telling people that your “business plan” is going to be presented to the Judge to persuade him to rule in CR’s favor and return all the cats. And that people are sending you ideas for you to submit to the Judge and you are telling people that you will.
What the Judge asked for is a proposed ORDER. NOT a business plan or anything else. The only information a proposed Order can include is testimony and evidence introduced at the hearing, case law and county and state laws.
I was at the hearing and Grant’s attorney made no attempt to offer any “business plan” into evidence. So to tell people that you are sending favorable information to the Judge is highly unethical. By law, he is NOT even allowed to read anything you send him about Caboodle Ranch and how “great” they are. And it will end up in the trash and not even be read by the Judge.
Also the Judge has 60 days to make a ruling on the Caboodle Ranch cats, and whether or not all or some of them will be returned. The decision will not be decided on June 11th as you are telling your supporters. The proposed Orders have to be submitted to him by that date.
Also, why did you leave out of your version of the events that happened at the hearing that the Judge also made the following comments:
1) The Judge liked the analogy the county attorney Tim Reeves (who you refer to as Col. Sanders) that if you have a life boat that can only hold 100 people, but there are still others in the water who have no life boat, you cannot put those people in the life boat, because then ALL of the people will drown and die. This was his argument because Grant was told as far back as 2009 to STOP TAKING IN CATS until the ones he had got healthy, and as a result of Grant’s refusal to take that advice, cats died that did not have to. Dr. Lewis even put in writing in 2009 that Grant stop taking in cats and was entered into evidence.
2) The Judge said he was highly concerned that the condition of the Ranch deterioted so quickly from the last EAH inspection of Jan 12th to the day of the seizure on Feb. 27th, about 6 weeks.
3) The Judge also asked if he was allowed to return some of the cats or is it an all or nothing deal, and to answer that question in the proposed Orders. The legal answer to that question is YES, the Judge can rule that some cats be returned to Caboodle Ranch and the others given to another entity, like the ASPCA.
4) The Judge also asked each party find out if he is able to directly order the cats be turned over to an organization instead of the Sheriff. The legal answer to that question is YES. And the Judge can further order that if he does order custody of the cats, to lets say the ASPCA, he can require that the ASPCA must obtain his permission to euthanize any cat(s).
5) The Judge also asked if the EAH ordinance pertained to Caboodle Ranch and both attorneys agreed the answer was “YES”.
5) He further stated that these questions is in no way an indication of how he would rule and he had NOT made a decision yet, and would review all the evidence and try to resolve the problem since he is a problem solver.
6) The Judge further stated that the proposed Orders be sent to him via e-mail so he could cut and paste them as he wishes.
Anyone can take these statements and interpret them however you want.
But to lead people on that you are submitting information to him is very sad and not fair to the people you are telling this to. And very DISRESPECTFUL to the Honorable Judge Parker, and it places him in a very bad light for no reason than to further your cause.
Also, I know that everyone who supports Caboodle Ranch hates my guts and can’t stand the fact that you “cannot stop me”. And that you guys are trying to figure out who I am, etc.
Well to give you a hint, I am a litigation paralegal and have been for over 20 years. I was the lead litigation paralegal on cases that involved suits against McDonnell Douglas, Wal-Mart, and NASA. I was the legal research paralegal for drafting proposed Orders just like the Judge has asked for. I know the legal system inside and out. How to do legal research, so I know how to properly interpret the law and the legal system and what is going on. So the threats of “send to the attorney” do not bother me at all. Everything I have done is legal and that is why you have NO LEGAL recourse to stop me from doing what I am doing.
And how I know that the statements you are telling your supporters about submitting “homework” to the Judge is not the truth due to my 20 years of legal experience.
Also, why are you and Jan NOT telling everyone who supports Caboodle Ranch that the Judge asked for proposed Orders? Instead you call it “home work” and other stuff, but never a proposed Order? Why is that????
And another hint, I am not done yet. I have only just begun.
Elise. Here is a quote from one of your comments which is about me:
“With all due respect, I have the right to refuse to speak with anyone I choose. I have NO desire to speak with Dale, just as none of you have any desire to speak to me. Also it was the way she introduced herself to me. It was rude and unwelcome. And I have the right to ask someone to leave me alone. And that is what I did. If after you ask someone to leave you alone once and they refuse, its considered harrasment, and to do that in a court room setting in unprofessional and against the law. If I had come up to ANY of the CR supporters in the court room and introduced myself, you would be crying fowl and how horrible it was that I did that because NONE of you want anything to do with me.”
Of course you have the right to refuse to speak with anyone you chose. When you wrote about my demeanor at a previous hearing–about how cold and unemotional I was, you clearly mistook me for someone else, since I wasn’t there at that time. You apologized for that error, and I accepted. At the court house I walked up to you and said, “Hello, my name is Dale,” to show you who Dale really was. That was all I said. I was not rude. You certainly were when you told me to get out of that side of the court room. I turned and walked away. I never came up to you again, never was near you again, never spoke to you again, yet the impression you leave in your comment is that I harassed you. You know that is not true. So if anyone can cry foul, not fowl, it’s me. What happened to your “truthiness?”
To those, including JAN SANDERS, who said Nanette did not have to comply with the EAH Ordinance, well once again you are proven wrong and I was proven right. Thank you very much. Nanette has admittetd giving up 9 of her “beloved” cats.
Had to share this of me and ‘my heart’ Coal…he’s back in my arms as are my other babies, where they belong. My life is moving forward again, the house is now a home. So much love and purrs to you all for your support and encour…agement thru this awful ordeal…..and extra hugs to my friend that is fostering many of my babies so that I can be ‘legal’ in this county and keep those creeps out of my life forever….Nanette
I guess we now know what is more important to Nanette, her or her cats, and she won out. I thought the cats would miss her too much, yada yada yada. She is more important than her cats. All she had to do is get an EAH permit and she could keep them all, but the cats were not worth that sacrifice. I guess this is why the cats at Caboodle Ranch were neglected.
You know, Irish, get over it. Your obsession with Pam is growing tiresome. Again, Pam is not part of this group. We’ve told you (repeatedly) that if you have a problem with Pam, you should deal with her as you see fit. It is your problem, not ours. We do not care who you report, why you report them, or who you report them to. We are not interested in updates on your personal problems. We know you look at our page, you know we look at our page. There. Now everything is out in the open. That subject is concluded. What we have done with the threats we’ve received, and how we choose to handle them are frankly none of your business. Clear enough for ye?
See what I mean?
I’m done with this thread, at least until something else of note happens again. And when it does, it will not happen here. I don’t know the judge personally either, but he seems a kind, open-minded, and deliberate man who is genuinely concerned to make the decision that is right for all the people and kitties. If he decides against you, please do not revile him also. He will not be deserving with all the care he seems to be taking to be so open to hearing all sides and treating all sides respectfully.
And don’t worry: I am not suing the ASPCA. They have done me no harm except in that they have disappointed me that, with all of their almost inestimable resources, they could not do any better than they have. Oh well. There is always Best Friends. Yeah, they are the big guys. But they don’t do a lot of flag waving; they just deal with the situations that come to them and try to make things better for the animals, no matter what stage of life they find themselves in.
KA, thanks for the post at least attempting to explain your position and previous post in a civil way. I asked John to take mine down. I was going to re-post a little calmer version of it, but I’ve decided to just leave it. I will try to explain until the (cow) herd comes home, but continual self-justification just is not a part of my ego requirement.
KA, I do not find myself to be in significant disagreement with your definition of good care. It is the kind of care that I give my own cats, and then some. When I die, to paraphrase the sentiments of a good friend, I would very much like to come back as one of my cats.
Since I also have some farming background, however, I am not prepared to take the next step of saying that all cats should have that kind of care or else be put down. I believe in no kill, and I would rather help that to happen well than block it by hook or crook. I believe in TNR of ferals and semi-ferals. I believe in free range and “barn cats.” They do not have the kind of cushy lives you describe or the kind of lives I give mine, but this does not negate their right to live out their natural lives in supported independence. From the testimony, it’s my view that Craig Grant was merely trying to give them that chance, a valuable chance, one in which the majority of the cats were not experiencing any worse than they would in a feral colony or as barn cats.
Although I pamper my pets with the best of them, I do not see it as a need that they have. In fact, my formerly feral had in many ways a “better” life when she had the freedom to roam with support from me. She is an indoor cat now. I am just too much of a coward to let her out to possibly be killed by a roaming dog or hit by a car. But that is me, not her, and I often wonder if a short and happy life might not be better from her standpoint with her background than a long and cooped up one. It is my love for her that makes me wonder that and my belief that animals need not be totally subservient and dependent and attendant upon humans in order to be happy although I enjoy that kind of relationship with all my cats except her. She is much more attached to our “top cat” than she will ever be to me.
Craig Grant is being portrayed by his opponents as a monster. I have watched them for months crawl out and accuse him of all sorts of atrocities and evil motives, vilifying anyone who tried to reason with them. As nearly as I can see, these accusations are based primarily, not upon personal experience, but on a set of photos and videos produced by an extremist organization with a PAC-style political and financial agenda. I have not been impressed with the way the ASPCA has handled all of this, but they are not as bad as PETA; as to their financial outlay, I understand they are planning to sue for their (very extravagantly chosen) expenses, which considerably ameliorates my impression of their charitable motives and good intentions. Craig Grant has also made considerable sacrifices and endured much censure for what he has been trying to do, but, because he did not have the staff, the high power offices, the spider web of national branches and celebrity spokespeople, he was struggling to do “the best he could.” There are some people in Madison who consider him and the cats a nuisance, but I have not heard anyone around here say that he is the monster that you city folk seem to think that he is from those photographs. Additionally, some of the Caboodle opposers have dragged everyone who was trying to help him or support him into the mix of accusation and revilement and even liable: his volunteers (which they say he did not have), his contributors, his vet, anyone who says anything to defend him or his intentions. His cats were, as I understand from the sworn testimony I heard, at least, living better than cats live on the streets in the city, and it sounds like, again from sworn testimony, that he was doing his darnedest to see to the others with a small group of volunteers, a compassionate vet, a surprisingly supportive animal control officer, and a willingness to sacrifice himself for their sake.
I don’t know the man personally, but what is so monstrous that he is deserving of all this? That he was unable to succeed in every way although working hard to make improvements and succeeding, slowly but surely, in doing that? That people might have been donating money to his effort that might otherwise have gone to the larger concerns? That his cats, being mortal, were eventually inclined to sicken and die despite his efforts–or to die without sickening which also happens? (I have lost 2 of mine in the last year or so, aged 19 and 18, who despite all my pampering and all the care you describe, came to the end of their lives. Both were in my arms; one was euthanized, outside where he loved to be, under our pecan tree, and one passed naturally at night, held to my chest and comforted as I listened to him take his last breath.) That he would not subscribe to the “Titanic” mentality and beat some of them off of the lifeboat? That he took a salary (which is not so unlike the CEO of the ASPCA, although by far a lesser amount, at least as far as I can see)?
I am truly sorry to say that I do not see any real compassion over there, the reason I abandoned you all and the super-PACs with which you associate yourselves. I keep saying that I am sad about that, to find that organizations that I have always sponsored and thought well of (well, not so much PETA, although I did have a brief time when I did) have so disappointed me.
You say you will not try to change my mind. However, I wish that you would and they would, not by argument and accusations and revilement and lawsuits and unwarranted surgeries, but by _showing_ a little compassion and simple respect for both the animals and the humans involved.
Although “better study up” was not exactly a humble remark for you to make, I’m letting it go on the basis of your explanation. Thanks. No big deal. It wasn’t a part of the discussion anyway.
I just saw on your Caboodle fan page about posting how to file a complaint with the IRS. Well there is NOTHING illegal about it.
Besides, I already filed over 8 complaints against Caboodle Ranch for mismanagement of funds, personal enrichment, and illegal fund raising.
For example: Nanette fund raised for an “Infirmary” a/k/a Sick Ward, but Don from Texas came and donated one and helped install it. Then Nanette continued the fund raiser for a new “infirmary” a/k/a sick ward a month later. Why? Because the donated infirmary was turned into the General Store. So they started the second fund raiser.
They raised over $15,000 for the new “infirmary” but as of today, the “sick ward” is still the old in-take trailer and NO SICK WARD or INFIRMARY has ever been replaced with a new one as the fund raiser promised. This is a HUGE FELONY and that information has also been turned over to the prosecutors in Madison County for their further use.
So what happened to the $15,000 they raised for the “Infirmary” that never was. That is a violation of Florida Fund Raising practices and is considered a felony. And the CR supporters call me the liar.
If you want to see the IRS complaints, go to:
http://caboodleranch.net/?page_id=4
and you will see ALL the evidence to back it up. And I do understand that Caboodle Ranch, Craig Grant and Nanette Entriken are being investigated by the IRS for their personal enrichment of the donated funds and will have to face the consequences for thier actions on a federal level as well.
Its not my fault that this is how they chose to run the Ranch, you are just upset that they are no longer getting away with it. I know if I donated for a new sick ward and found out the sick ward was never purchased, I would be furious, and its considered fraud. I could only imagine how Don feels about this, or if he even knows that all his hard work to help provide a nice place to house sick kitties was never used as intended, it must break his heart.
I am upset because the money there was money to treat those poor sick cats and kittens and instead they spent it else where.
The proof of the pudding lies in the fact that they are still using the old sick ward, even though they raised over $15,000 for a new one. And I am the liar here. I think not.
To Christina Gomez and other supporters of Caboodle Ranch,
I just read the links provided by Silence Dogood about the PETA investigation and what she reported and I was also in the court room to observe yesterday.
Christina Gomez testified that Craig Grant never asked her to hide any sick cats away from view if they knew visitors were coming, yet, in the PETA report, Christina is heard saying or telling, can’t remember, that she had to hide Duchess in the sick ward with the other cats they were hiding because visitors were coming.
So I guess I now know who to believe regarding this issue. If someone is willing to commit perjury, then I have no confidence in anyone who supports Caboodle Ranch and any testimony any of their supporters gave them.
Also a woman named Susan Worthen or something liked that who was hired to clean up the Ranch at 10:00 a.m. in the mornings testified that Craig Grant never said we have visitors so we have to clean the place up. But later in her testimony she stated that she was asked to come in early on the day of the EAH inspections at 7:00 a.m. instead. This seems to me that she was asked by Craig Grant on occassion to come in to clean up prior to people coming to visit or inspect.
This is very sad to me that people will commit perjury or lie for an individual who neglected so many cats and kittens and left them to die, and then claim they are rescuing animals. This is tooo sad for words for anyone who loves animals.
L.N.
You are furious about the ASPCA doing that surgery, etc., But PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?
Why are you NOT just as FURIOUS with cRAIG and Nanette for allowing cats in thier care that were in dire need of medical attention but chose NOT to seek medical treatment, and as a result those cats suffered far more worse than Nanette’s cats which are all alive and healthy. But you cannot say the same about the Caboodle cats. Why are you NOT outraged by those poor kitties that suffered under the care of Craig and Nanette???????????????????????????????????
You are totally contradicting yourself. Its like its OK for Craig and Nanette to treat the Caboodle cats so poorly that many were skin and bones and had to be put down for humane reasons, but its not OK for Nanette’s personal cats? I read the PETA report, and all the evidence that has been provided, and its appauling.
So again, why are you NOT mad at Craig and Nanette for allowing such wide scale suffering of cats AND kittens which they knew about but CHOSE NOT TO seek medical attention for any reason and numerous cats dies a slow horrible death.
Yet, Nanette’scats are fine and healthy. The person who should be sued here is Craig and Nanette for failing to get them medical attention when needed, as opposed to hiding them in crates out of view for others to see, especially when they “hate putting cats in cages”. It seemed NOT to bother them to put sick cats in crates when visitors were coming with possible donations!!!!
Also the PETA person SAVED the lives of two kittens that Craig was going to let die which is what he did with every kitten that was born at Caboodle Ranch. NOW THAT OUTRAGES ME!!!
WHY DOES IT NOT OUTRAGE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
L.N.
It does not surprise me that you “did not see” any confrontations that I stated because you cannot even identify animal abuse when you see it. So keep your blinders on and continue to live in the dark.
With all due respect, I have the right to refuse to speak with anyone I choose. I have NO desire to speak with Dale, just as none of you have any desire to speak to me. Also it was the way she introduced herself to me. It was rude and unwelcome. And I have the right to ask someone to leave me alone. And that is what I did. If after you ask someone to leave you alone once and they refuse, its considered harrasment, and to do that in a court room setting in unprofessional and against the law. If I had come up to ANY of the CR supporters in the court room and introduced myself, you would be crying fowl and how horrible it was that I did that because NONE of you want anything to do with me.
So stop this “Do as I say, not as I do” stuff that you guys engage in. I mean every picture posted of the condition of cats at CR in the hearing are phony, the testimony are lies, that’s all you guys have in your arsenal is to call everyone liars and all the evidence is doctored. However, the Judge did not see it that way.
As for being called a liar, I could care less because I am NOT a liar. And your side has to PROVE I am a liar which do date you have FAILED TO DO SO. So that does not bother me at all. However, I have proven that many of your “facts” are not facts at all and that I am disclosing public information that you CR supporters do not want the public to know. You hate that and hate the fact that you cannot leaglly stop me. Thus the reason for your hate of me, because I am getting the truth out there, and you are losing support for your cause.
Finally, tt was very RUDE for Jan Sanders to interupt a private conversation and she should have used some professionalism and waited her turn and spoke to the reporter after I was done. That is how people with class handles a situtation like that, especially in a court room. Jan Sanders posted a threat against me and I did not want her any where around me. I informed the baliffs about this and others might try to approach me prior to the start of the hearing, and thus they told me to call for them when it happened. This is the reason the Judge was informed and told everyone on your side of the court room not to approach those on the opposing side because I was right that you would approach me in the court room, and the Judge did not want an incident outside the court room.
L.N. – No condescension was intended. The prior post was poorly written and your message was not understandable. My definition of ‘good for the animals’ is simple. Caring, compassionate loving homes. Freedom from pain and suffering. Healthy, clean and safe living environments (free from predators). Proper nutrition. Proper and adequate nutrition, clean water. All cats spayed or neutered. Ongoing veterinary supervision and treatment, (including labwork, vaccines, dental work, other preventative care as needed) documented on detailed medical records which can be matched to each cat via microchip. Effective quarantine procedures for incoming cats, as well as those with ongoing infectious diseases from the healthy population (i.e., separate quarantine of FeLV from FIV from FeLV/FIV from URI from ringworm, etc.). Is this different than your definition of the ‘good for the animals’? I am certain this is what you would provide for your own cats, correct?
As far as what the ASPCA should have done, it is my understanding the cats are under the jurisdiction of the Madison County Sheriff’s Department, and they are currently the authority that decides what can/cannot legally be done to them until the court decides otherwise. There are many more variables that can affect feline estrus cycles that the few you mentioned. Monitoring for estrus cycles? Maybe, if it were feasible to monitor all of the cats constantly for signs, which is not reliable. What about silent cycles? The cats are unharmed. Again, all could have been avoided had verifiable medical records been available.
I realize that you question the motives of the ASPCA. I cannot change your opinion, and do not intend to try. Going to the extra trouble and expense of surgery on cats does not benefit the ASPCA in any way. It costs more and takes more time and care. They get nothing additional out of it, aside from extra work. I know from personal experience that their only interest is the health and well-being of the animals.
Elise, honestly, what is this? I did not see the encounters you depict. I know that being called a liar is not fun. Nobody likes that. However, what’s the big deal about someone’s trying to introduce herself to you? If your reaction to that does not define this situation just as well as the accusation that angered you, I don’t know what does. For goodness sake, you don’t have to agree with someone to be ordinarily courteous when courtesy is extended. The judge and the opposing attorneys, I thought, set a very fine example in that respect. Didn’t you think so too?
For those seeking the truth about the issues of Caboodle Ranch, please check out these links:
http://caboodleranch.net/Documents/Criminal/ProbableCauseAffidavit.pdf
http://caboodleranch.net/Documents/Criminal/OffenseIncidentReport.PDF
I do believe these two documents that look certified by the local Madison Clerk demonstrates what truly was happening at Caboodle Ranch.
It even states that Grant and Christina hid very sick and ill cats prior to visitors coming to the Ranch.
It even states that Grant refused medical treatment for a cat with very bad eye problems, and he only took the cat to the vet because the owner called and wanted their cats back. Grant refused to take the cat back to the vet to have the stitches removed from the cat’s eye socket because the eye had to be removed.
So far the evidence against Mr. Grant is not looking good and I have yet to any evidence from Caboodle Ranch about all the claims they continually make that everything is a lie or everyone is a liar. So read the evidence and decide for yourself who is telling the truth.
Irish:
To clarify, the Judge did not chew anybody out, but did state that a legitimate confrontation occured and to not allow it to happen when we left the court room once the hearing was over. The person he was referring to was me being confronted by Jan Sanders. Jan Sanders interupted me while I was having a private conversation with a reporter during a recess in the court room to call me a liar and that I was not a Trustee of Caboodle Ranch. I asked Jan to please leave me alone twice and she refused. I then yelled to the baliff to assit me to get her away from me. When I called for the baliff, Jan Sanders walked away. I assume the baliff informed the Judge about the incident, and the reason he made that comment. Note: To this day they have yet to provide evidence that I am no longer a Trustee and their attorney has to date not notified my attorney of any issue regarding my status as a current Trustee of Caboodle Ranch.
Also, Dale Swisher could not refrain from introducing herself to me and I asked her to leave me alone as well, but she refused and continue to say she was Dale Swisher. I told her to leave me alone and she finally left. I can only assume a baliff was on the way to tell her to leave me alone. I guess she forgot that I already said that if she stated she was not in the court room for the first two days of hearing then I was wrong. So it was moot to introduce herself when I have NO desire to meet her.
In addition, the Judge asked the Caboodle Ranch supporters to please refrain from being disruptive during the county attorney Tim Reeves’s summation of his case. The supporters did not like what they were hearing and moaned and groaned in disapproval, so the Judge asked them to keep quiet so he could hear the attorney’s summation.
The Judge did state that someone in the court room was trying to record the hearing, and if it did not stop, he would confiscate the device. I do not know who he was talking about. It could have been any body, but it was NOT me.
I hope this clears up the so called admonishments by the Honorable Judge Gregory Parker.
Irish – Yo don’t now that at all. No one got really chewed out. The judge first told the courtroom he’d been told someone had been recording the proceedings and reviewed the penalty for that. He said if anyone was, they would be disciplined. He told the CR supporters to be quiet as they were being disruptive, it was a court of law, and he could not hear. He also cautioned against any further confrontational incidents when leaving the courtroom (also CR supporters).
Must be really ticking ye haters off that Nanette got ALL her cats back and I hope she does sue them for opening up her females that were already spayed,I know I would and then some.
Surprised there are no insults here today regarding the hearing tho I do know someone was chewed out by the judge and glad for it,Craig will win and Pamela Jonasson in case ye see this and not wot I have posted on FB regarding ye then know this,the Sheriffs Department there in Jacksonville and my own Police Department have complaints filed against ye,other supporters ye have threatened have done the same,I gave them all the screen shot of ye death threats and basic threats ye made against us,they have all ye personal and public information but it gets better,also filed complaints from me and the other supporters with the FBI,ye heard me,the FBI,guess ye are too ignorant to realize it is aganst the law to threaten someone with death on the internet,they take that seriously,ye make alot of noise but dont back it up with action like I do,I warned ye and ye didnt listen,so do me a favor and send me another threat and this time be sure to use ye own name,havent ye figured out by now we know all of ye fake profiles,ye are way too open.
L.N. – Punctuation and grammar – study up, please. It is difficult to make an intelligent point when you cannot communicate clearly. I cannot confirm or deny the incisions. I do not doubt they were done. I can clearly see what was done. In their place, I would have done the same. I apologize for no one and agree completely with the decisions of Madison County and the ASPCA (based on exisiting law). Given the situation and stipulations of the court ruling, their actions were legally justified. Even if Entriken had provided records, they could not be confirmed as the cats were not microchipped. They are now. What you are unable to see is that the welfare of the cats is paramount, not the feelings of the owners. Should you ever find yourself in this position and are furious, it will likely make you feel better to look into legal action. Microchipping your pets and recording the chip number on their medical records will prevent it. What you fail to see, even when presented with documented evidence, is the neglect/abuse/suffering of the cats at CR. If you don’t wish to believe the evidence, just look very closely at CR’s own videos and photos. Sick cats are abundent, visible in most videos. It is unmistakeable, unless you simply don’t know what you’re looking at, or choose not to see it. Again – this is not about Grant or Entriken – only about the welfare of the animals.
Kitty Advocate, When Nanette got her kitties home she noticed the females had their bellies shaved. That would have been enough to let them see the scars from the spaying. They had no reason to cut them open to check. They even cut open a 15 year old cat. The only cats that needed to be spayed or neutered were some that were just kittens when they were taken and weren’t old enough at the time. Nanette had all the medical records on the rest of her cats that proved they were done if they had just asked.
And what is more: I intend to give this account to everyone I know who supports the organization since you have not tried to deny but tried to justfy it! The ASPCA, so called, made a very, very, very bad judgment error there, as perhaps you can tell. They are not even my cats, and I am furious.
KA, total apologist nonsense. I seriously hope the ASPCA is charged for a crime against personal property or sued. If they did that to my cats (all of whom are spayed or neutered), I would surely be looking into that possibility.
You are so one-sided that you cannot even see what was done and how completely antagonistic and presumptuous it was.
Just one more reason,to doubt the motives and practices of this organization that I previously have supported for many years. Nobody sunk their boat with me but them.
SG. I did miss it.
since PJT posted she has them, then the ordinance most likely didn’t apply to her because she had them before it went into affect. Unless she only got back 30 out of 39.
PJT thats one reason I hate PETA/ASPCA, if they did that and Nanette had records to show they already were neutered and spayed, she can probably sue them for cruel and unusual punishment to the very animals they claim to protect. I know I would.
To verify that the female cats had been spayed, they had to make a small incision and check. She says she has vet records, but unless the cats are microchipped and the microchips can be matched to the medical record, they cannot be verified – those records could belong to any cat. If you don’t want to have your cats seized/removed, you should be careful of the company you keep. Associating with drug dealers and thieves can get you arrested by association – so can associating and working with animal hoarders/abusers.
StarKilLer,
Her cats are already home with her. The ASPCA said they would spay or neuter those few that hadn’t been done yet because they were too young. Instead of asking Nanette which ones had been done they cut open every female cat to check them. Unnecessary surgery on every one of the female cats! All they had to do was ask.
To Starkiller:
Please refer to paragraph 4 of the Judge’s order, its the last line on page 2 of the Order:
4. Nothing herein shall affect any party’s obligation, if any, to comply with the (continuted on page 2) provisioins of the Madison County Ordinance No. 2011-196, concerning excess animal habitats.
So the Judge does mention it, but I could see how you could miss it. Here’s the link for a quick check.
http://caboodleranch.net/Documents/Entriken_FinalJudgment.pdf
Take from it what you will.
Jan,
frankly no one cares about your comments because you don’t care to post evidence, all you use is words that have no meaning. So keep wasting bandwidth, but don’t expect us to care unless you can show some proof.
I can’t stand Elise, but at least she does back up what she is saying with Evidence.
I read the order, and yes it states that she won’t get her cats back until they are released from the criminal case, and a request has to be submitted for that to happen. It does not state anything about the ordinance, but if she had the cats in the county before the ordinance took effect, and the ordinance is not retroactive, then it does not apply unless it is ruled retroactive in her case. Thats according to the order posted @ the .net site.
Exactly how many cats were returned to Entriken? 29? 39?
Man that is bad. The one thing that bothered me about the ranch and that I never agreed with and thought should be illegal was the lack of an adoption program.
Why would a cat lover want to be selfish and keep all the kats?
After seeing those photo’s, that pretty damn bad.
I supported the idea, but never visited the ranch.
I don’t support it going on as it has been. It should be restructured to prevent this type of stuff happening. I don’t think anyone realized there were dead cat bodies lying around there.
I cant stand PETA or ASPCA because the animals are just animals. But there is a point where neglect and this is past that point becomes criminal.
Feral 2007, Well said.. I agree 100% with your comment.
The Ranch site reports that Nanette’s cats have been returned to her. Finally.
Jan,
Good luck with the so called celebration. From what I have seen from the evidence your declaration of a celebration is premature. But keep living in denial. Also, I found this on the internet:
Madison County’s Excess Animal Habitat (EAH) Oridnance will be submitted to the Florida state legislature with changes to make it state wide law when the next session starts by Representative Joseph Abruzzo as a Bill. If it passes, it will become state law.
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Elise Perkins met with State Representative Joseph Abruzzo May 22nd to discuss the best way to achieve a no-kill community and how it can be done state wide. She informed Rerpresentative Abruzzo the best path to saving animals from death is two fold:
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First: You have to regulate sanctuaries in order to make sure they are complying with the State’s Animal Cruelty laws and to catch and stop the hoarding situations. Rep. Abruzzo really liked the idea of the EAH Ordinance being implmented state wide and decided he will try to make it a legislative bill and submit it next session, and have the Department of Agricultre be the regulator for the inspections and renewals.
Seccond: Elise Perkins informed him about the Feral Freedom Program and low cost spay/neuter programs in Jacksonville and how First Coast No More Homeless Pets works with Animal Control to achieve this goal. She gave him the statistics to show how it has reduced shelter surrenders and reduced the number of animals that had to be unneccesarily killed due to lack of shelter space. In addition, the two programs, Trap-Neuter-Release, and low cost spay and neuther programs, saved Duval County $7 million dollars over the last 10 years. And the statistics show the two programs reduced shetler intakes and reduced shelter kills. Here is the link to the brochure she gave him for you to see the results being made in Duval County with these two programs.
http://www.fcnmhp.org/pdf/2010-2011%20FCNMHP%20Annual%20Report_Small%20File.pdf
Representative Abruzzo really like the two part plan because it appeases both sides of the issue, animal rescue organizations and Animal Control officials.
So if CR supporters read this and start callinig Rep. Abruzzo to bully him about NOT supporting the EAH Ordinance and call themselves Animal Rescue advocates, it will be a huge contradiction that you are complaining about a bill that will SAVE the lives of cats instead of allowing them to die a very slow and horrible death which the supporters think is acceptable, but the LAW does not. I called his office and he is well aware of the hoarding situations from Haven Acres and Caboodle Ranch which is probably why he liked the bill and wants to make it a state law.
All comments copied and printed out. Will be fun to look over them one day with Nanette as we are sitting out on a beach somewhere sipping our cocktails in celebration that all is well.
To all the supporters….Thank you!
Let’s look at this issue from another viewpoint and see it for what it truly is; a business, just like any other with the exception that this one deals with animals and is a non-profit. Because of these 2 reasons alone, this business should be held to a higher standard than other for profit businesses. The animal welfare business requires proceedures and protocols be followed, so let’s ask these questions; what were Craig’s qualifications? Did he seek advice or help from other professionals in the field? What were the qualifications/certifications of his staff or volunteers? Did he request help, attend conferences and workshops to educate himself on his business? What was the procedure for incoming cats? Were they photographed, evaluated and spayed & neutered immediately upon intake? What program was in place to help a completely indoor cat make the transistion to completely outdoor cat easily and less stressful? What was done to identify stressed cats, who tend to get sick quicker? Was a daily attendance taken to inspect for illness or missing cats? What steps were in place to protect the cats from predators? What steps were taken to isolate and treat sick cats? Was an adoption program in place? A functioning spay/neuter program? Were partnerships instituted with numerous vets? Were all available resources utilized? Were the bulk of the donations going to help the cats or other areas? A non-profit must have a Mission Statement; was this written? Was it being adhered to? Was the purpose of the creation of the ranch on course? What was the experience of the Board of Directors? Did they do regular inspections and evaluations? Were the Board recommendations followed? The “cute houses” were great for bringing in more donations and making people “feel good”, but they were actually more of a hazard for the cats because wood can not be sterilized. Wood harbors disease and can’t be sanitized. Was there a set limit on the number of cats to be taken in? Most high functioning shelters with full-time staff, vets and volunteers would find it difficult to keep up with 700 cats, but 1 person was able to? Is this realistic? The reports of Mr. Grant sleeping in chair with a roll of paper towels for a pillow may cause an “awww” emotional response, but it may be the signs of burn-out. Any doctor will tell you that if you are unable to care for yourself, you can not properly take care of something else. So if these few items were not being practiced by the ranch and there were no standards, certifications or education for this particular business, then it makes a much sense as someone opening a car repair business soley because they owned a car.